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Re: Intelligence, Research and Data Analysis Center
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While I want to be involved in ground combat and boarding, I'd be willing to also work as an intelligence specialist until such a time as it becomes necessary for me to do otherwise. I've got a professional certificate in intelligence analysis and I'm an academic having written extensively about C4ISR, network centric warfare, and the role of STA and intelligence collection in modern warfare. Basically I've got some foundation of knowledge for the intelligence process, and I'd be happy to help.  :)

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Welcome Wanderjar  :)


While I want to be involved in ground combat and boarding, I'd be willing to also work as an intelligence specialist until such a time as it becomes necessary for me to do otherwise.


Great! I think both need not be mutually exclusive :) As we will need also to work on understanding boarding mechanics, Vanduul layout, enemy numbers on ships etc

I've got a professional certificate in intelligence analysis and I'm an academic having written extensively about C4ISR, network centric warfare, and the role of STA and intelligence collection in modern warfare. Basically I've got some foundation of knowledge for the intelligence process, and I'd be happy to help.  :)


Splendid, perhaps you can go over what we got so far and offer critique?

Re: Intelligence, Research and Data Analysis Center
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I'll be happy to mate, I'm still working on reading it all. Putting on my intell analyst's cap for a moment!

The intelligence process, which I've brought up in other posts, is defined as follows in ADRP 2-0 INTELLIGENCE:

1) Planning
2) Collection
3) Processing and Exploitation
4) Analysis and Production
5) Dissemination and Integration
6) Evaluation and Feedback

At this point, I'm at the collection phase. I have a plan in place to figure out what we need to know, and a vision of what the finished product should look like. To make that happen, I'm reading where we're at strategically and what we know about the Vanduul via these forums, plain speculation (which is a lot more valuable than you'd think when it's at least semi-educated), as well as what CIG et al have told us. In essence, the 'open source intel' phase which is easy, and obviously all we have to go on at this point.

Once I feel comfortable in 'knowing' about it, I'll start to write up my opinions.  Until then though, I'd be producing a shoddy product since I know next to nothing. In the mean time, those guidelines while extremely vague are the 'scientific method' of intelligence analysis. I can go more in depth into the nitty gritty of each step if y'all like and think it'd be beneficial.

Edit: When the battle starts; myself and others start boarding and fighting, I'll take video of our experience so everyone can look it over and see it for themselves. We can then start to work out a plan to take down ships and ideally find the easiest routes to their centres of importance across the ship, as well as gaining a general understanding of the resistance we'll face in the process.

Planning wins war.
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Re: Intelligence, Research and Data Analysis Center
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I'll be happy to mate, I'm still working on reading it all. Putting on my intell analyst's cap for a moment!

The intelligence process, which I've brought up in other posts, is defined as follows in ADRP 2-0 INTELLIGENCE:

1) Planning
2) Collection
3) Processing and Exploitation
4) Analysis and Production
5) Dissemination and Integration
6) Evaluation and Feedback

At this point, I'm at the collection phase. I have a plan in place to figure out what we need to know, and a vision of what the finished product should look like. To make that happen, I'm reading where we're at strategically and what we know about the Vanduul via these forums, plain speculation (which is a lot more valuable than you'd think when it's at least semi-educated), as well as what CIG et al have told us. In essence, the 'open source intel' phase which is easy, and obviously all we have to go on at this point.

Once I feel comfortable in 'knowing' about it, I'll start to write up my opinions.  Until then though, I'd be producing a shoddy product since I know next to nothing. In the mean time, those guidelines while extremely vague are the 'scientific method' of intelligence analysis. I can go more in depth into the nitty gritty of each step if y'all like and think it'd be beneficial.

Edit: When the battle starts; myself and others start boarding and fighting, I'll take video of our experience so everyone can look it over and see it for themselves. We can then start to work out a plan to take down ships and ideally find the easiest routes to their centres of importance across the ship, as well as gaining a general understanding of the resistance we'll face in the process.

Planning wins war.


Just remember the Main Operation Battle is going to be a weekend Event. Possibly Spanning the course of 3 day's for a semi 24/3 operation run.

I have been doing the same but I understand others have plans too. Granted  I am still calculating all the data I have and still sitting and waiting for more Mechanics to be presented from the game while we are in the testing phase of the game. In doing so it will help make any plan's and strategies the strongest for deployment, in my Opinion. We may know General Functions in theory, but until we know we can make a Vanduul Scream in pain for simply blasting the arms and legs off of them. There isn't much more detail that can be gone into till more Game Mechanics become presently available. Starting suggestion would be to put in a request for cross references for topics and plans you see in the forums to help find how far along a plan could be from .02% to 86% Guaranteed effective.

Just my quick 2 cents on the matter. And after Alpha Testing the Arena Commander I gotta say much work is needed in the end to find the balance in fire power and logistic's of the entire operations movement.
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@JackDaniels

Good idea, and I wasn't really sure how the event was going to play out so thanks for the heads up. I was just mentioning this to throw my hat in where I think I can be of value, since I do want to see this awesome idea work out as well as it can.

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I'd like to provide my hand within the IRADAC as well.

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First bit of info I've got.

Its pretty obvious but it does need to factor into our operational strategy: procedural generation will likely not be at launch, and thus won't probably be in the Beta. This is important since essentially in order to win, we need to seize ground and that means making planetary assaults. As I understand it, we'll pull close to the planet and choose to land, where there'll be a landing cutscene and we'll spawn landed.

So that means prepare for Omaha Beach. We're going to be landing right in the middle of their towns and centers of production, where their forces are bound to be the most concentrated. I do not know if we can use turrets on our Auroras/Redeemers at this point, but thats something to find out cause we could use them as a static heavy weapons platform to cover an advance, or at least protect disembarking troops for a while.

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First bit of info I've got.

Its pretty obvious but it does need to factor into our operational strategy: procedural generation will likely not be at launch, and thus won't probably be in the Beta. This is important since essentially in order to win, we need to seize ground and that means making planetary assaults. As I understand it, we'll pull close to the planet and choose to land, where there'll be a landing cutscene and we'll spawn landed.

So that means prepare for Omaha Beach. We're going to be landing right in the middle of their towns and centers of production, where their forces are bound to be the most concentrated. I do not know if we can use turrets on our Auroras/Redeemers at this point, but thats something to find out cause we could use them as a static heavy weapons platform to cover an advance, or at least protect disembarking troops for a while.


I also think we should keep in mind that, this is also if we can even land on Vanduul planets. From what I remember hearing, CIG is making it so we will have planetary PVE but only on certain planets, and I'm not entirely sure that it'll include planets further in Vanduul tribal space. Of course, I'm sure this will change further down the road.

Re: Intelligence, Research and Data Analysis Center
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Indeed, it is something to investigate if we can conquer and subsequently occupy planets.

My current estimate is
Orion 3: Maybe
Tiber 2: Probably not

My estimates are mostly guesswork of course. It depends currently on lore and how I guess the game mechanics will work. My estimate is that the Vanduul harvester presence basically justifies and in practice acts as a spawnpoints for ships and camps possibly as spawnpoint for Vanduul.

Orion 3 is only on occasion visited and raided by the Vanduul, so there is probably no permanent camp and there might also be no Harvester acting as a spawnpoint. -> We might conquer this planet by hopefully a PvE battle if the Vanduul are down there and subsequently denying new Vanduul to land. Therefore occupation would require permanent cap missions, a small garrisson in Armitage (Orion capital) and depending on local supplies -> frequent supply missions.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13061-Jump-Point-Orion-System

Tiber 2 is said to have rather permanent Harvesters on the planet and that landing on this planet is basically suicide. This planet screams Vanduul spawning point to me. Our best hope would be to meet heavy resistance and an PvE opportunity to destroy all harvesters on the planet. But I estimate that there are lorewise harvesters out of landing zone reach and that it will de facto stay active as a spawn point
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13614-Galactic-Guide-Tiber

Other habitable planets in Vanduul space are currently unknown

In my opion, securing Orion might be doable if we can keep the Vanduul contained outside the atmosphere. Tiber might be impossible and we may be only to contain or hopefully significantly reduce Vanduul presence there.

But again, we will have to investigate our options
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Re: Intelligence, Research and Data Analysis Center
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In that case, for something like Tiber our recon team should see if theres a Vanduul station or harvester ship in orbit like you said. Either attack or board it, seize control, and more or less do that from space rather than actually attempt a landing, at least at first.

Those harvester transports are huge, I think much bigger than the Idris, but still smaller than a Kingship. Bagging one of those will still be invaluable.

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I know we have it lying around here somewhere on the forums. But I think it might be a bit more useful if we had it consolidated in this thread. Went ahead and posted the image, and then the link to the image below the image itself so that people can zoom in.



http://i.imgur.com/AF8qNAH.jpg




http://i.imgur.com/AX7nxAI.jpg

As we can see here... we've got a rather rough scale of how large a 'Harvester' is, and... is a bit smaller than the Idris.

Re: Intelligence, Research and Data Analysis Center
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Thanks for the post. The image I saw previously was misleading then, as it showed the harvester as being twice the size of an Idris.

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Re: Intelligence, Research and Data Analysis Center
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No problem. It's these sort of things that I enjoy doing. Mainly because it keeps me interested while waiting for the game to come to fruition.

Now, Marcus had mentioned something about having an IRADAC meeting relatively soon, I was wondering if we'd be able to include Recon flight leaders? Or if that was too soon to do. Seeing as currently we're in the theory crafting stages of Op Pitchfork.

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Now, Marcus had mentioned something about having an IRADAC meeting relatively soon, I was wondering if we'd be able to include Recon flight leaders? Or if that was too soon to do. Seeing as currently we're in the theory crafting stages of Op Pitchfork.


That might indeed be a bit too soon, as that would be more for planning operational stages. Though the after action report that Hussars is developing could potentially benefit from their input.

THe idea is more to brainstorm about potential priorities and steps in preperation of actual work. Setting priorities. I have a basic idea in my head. But if this as an initiative is going to grow, it would benefit from multiple perspectives from all voluntary participants  :)

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While I would definitely like to see a few recon pilots attending the meeting, as they would be on the front lines for IRADAC's work. If it's just a general meeting for those of us who are interested in the work, that's all fine as well. Having Recon pilots available would help finalize Hussar's after action report template - should he have it finished by the time the date of the meeting.

Though, I'm happy just getting to know everyone I'd be working with. Considering the fact that bonds forged now will most likely hold out longer than when the operation just begins.

Needless to say - it'd be your call on what you'd like for the first meeting. (I'm sure we'll see more meetings closer towards the launch of PU and leading up to P-Day.)

Re: Intelligence, Research and Data Analysis Center
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Wish I got involved in Operation Pitchfork sooner, this is exactly what I want to be contributing. I'm already doing this in my intelligence agency but on pirate orgs rather than Vanduuls, and I've having pretty good success. I'm hoping I can bring everything I can to the table for IRADAC!

Also, meeting sounds like a great idea.
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Wish I got involved in Operation Pitchfork sooner, this is exactly what I want to be contributing. I'm already doing this in my intelligence agency but on pirate orgs rather than Vanduuls, and I've having pretty good success. I'm hoping I can bring everything I can to the table for IRADAC!

Also, meeting sounds like a great idea.


Yeah, I wish I had gotten involved sooner as well. Thankfully getting involved now is better than the day before the operation actually happens. 'Least you can help contribute to the planning stages with other like minded individuals.

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While I would definitely like to see a few recon pilots attending the meeting, as they would be on the front lines for IRADAC's work. If it's just a general meeting for those of us who are interested in the work, that's all fine as well. Having Recon pilots available would help finalize Hussar's after action report template - should he have it finished by the time the date of the meeting.


Indeed, I think we should organize that seperatly in a sort of specific project meetings, so that we do not lose focus overall.  :)

Though, I'm happy just getting to know everyone I'd be working with. Considering the fact that bonds forged now will most likely hold out longer than when the operation just begins.

Needless to say - it'd be your call on what you'd like for the first meeting. (I'm sure we'll see more meetings closer towards the launch of PU and leading up to P-Day.)


my idea is more or less along those lines, for the most part this has been simply an idea, there are already parts in motion. Especially the beginning of a data analysis process, however if this is going to grow we should also organize ourselves. And that is currently my most basic Idea. In the coming week(s) I will see if I can draft up an agenda with points to discuss how to organize this endeavor.

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Indeed, I think we should organize that seperatly in a sort of specific project meetings, so that we do not lose focus overall.  :)

my idea is more or less along those lines, for the most part this has been simply an idea, there are already parts in motion. Especially the beginning of a data analysis process, however if this is going to grow we should also organize ourselves. And that is currently my most basic Idea. In the coming week(s) I will see if I can draft up an agenda with points to discuss how to organize this endeavor.


Sounds good. You've got more than enough individuals here who're more than happy to help out. If you need anything from myself (or anyone for the matter) feel free to PM us.

I'd be happy to put together a document detailing the overview and mission goals of IRADAC as well as operational planning for future missions during Op Pitchfork.

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I think what we can do now is a compile a large list of documents/sources to go through. After that we can split up the work and process everything. First meeting would not only be a get to know one another but also be a group review of everything gathered so far.

I know someone was building a system for inputting scout missions / encounters, but what about information gathered from analysis? Honestly, I've been finding Google Docs to be a great solution. Make a folder(s) that keeps everything organized, give out permissions if you need to keep things secure, has multiple file types and editors depending on the data being recorded and includes a powerful search functionality. Also if we ever decided to run more complex searches / functionality you can write custom Javascript based apps to interact with the documents.

EDIT: To give an example of what I mean
Folder containing all intel: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4l2o50BJsiZbFE2MFl2UHNhZXM&usp=sharing

List of sources to review:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yc_7s6pqyu0SNo9DuNTyqPzOFmiml9QINXdxDCNB-jg/edit?usp=sharing
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I think what we can do now is a compile a large list of documents/sources to go through. After that we can split up the work and process everything. First meeting would not only be a get to know one another but also be a group review of everything gathered so far.


Here you go, Vanduul SOurce material: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DmrxUG_tnxKa0bHRKFxfENwKZ8INDbOl7PgzgzJ0p7Y/edit  :) It is a bit of a mess, but all relevant data untill june should be there.

I know someone was building a system for inputting scout missions / encounters, but what about information gathered from analysis? Honestly, I've been finding Google Docs to be a great solution. Make a folder(s) that keeps everything organized, give out permissions if you need to keep things secure, has multiple file types and editors depending on the data being recorded and includes a powerful search functionality. Also if we ever decided to run more complex searches / functionality you can write custom Javascript based apps to interact with the documents.

EDIT: To give an example of what I mean
Folder containing all intel: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4l2o50BJsiZbFE2MFl2UHNhZXM&usp=sharing

List of sources to review:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yc_7s6pqyu0SNo9DuNTyqPzOFmiml9QINXdxDCNB-jg/edit?usp=sharing


Good thinking, currently the After action report has an excel output. The idea is to indeed put all data like that in such a file so that we can access that and look for the data we need. Perform selections on ship type, systems etc.

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Cool stuff, gonna read through the links I made a list of as well in order to have a different perspective / view. I'll combine what you have / what I find based on topic so it's easier to lookup.
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Re: Intelligence, Research and Data Analysis Center
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I plan on helping out in this area too. Have been working with some of the recon guys as a consultant to refine some of the operations that get proposed. A large part of that will be figuring out how to get the specific kind of intel that is needed. Let me know when the meeting is once you get that worked out.

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A large part of that will be figuring out how to get the specific kind of intel that is needed.


It's going to be a mix of human intelligence actually performing recon, technical people digging into the game files reading whatever they can unobfuscate and open source intelligence for articles like these https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13983-AI-Design-In-Vanduul-Swarm

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*phew* Okay, ship analysis is sort of done. I wrote down the limited information available on each ship and did some investigation work.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YENYLVpjGbaCe2X7hHqJkg2QNs7a65mvCxiWw9_MevQ/edit?usp=sharing

I'm also working on Vanduul culture and some other things. But let me know what you guys think about ^
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