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Operation Pitchfork Org Discussion Thread
This is the thread to discuss the the setup of the Operation Pitchfork organization. Below is a re-post of my post in the Operation Pitchfork thread

https://foru​ms.robertsspa​ceindustries.​com/discussio​n/comment/183​5973/#Comment​_1835973


Hi

First I would like to thank Xeriar, Supremacy, Benjamin_the_Rogue, ssthehunter, John_Shepard, Lyt  for all the hard work in putting this together.

Second some ground rules. This is simply a proposal, a frame work to start the discussion of how operation pitchfork is going to be organized. It is very much a work in process and everyone who worked on it very much wants the comments and suggestions of of every Forker. Lone Wolf, Small org or Large.

We are over 2000 pilots and 60+ organizations and growing everyday. Some folks have described Pitchfork as a "Zerg Rush" That is partly true some of us simply want to fly to the sound of battle and bast Vanduul and eat bacon :) That is more than fine, but some of us what something more organized and some of use want a very organized attack. Those two cases are fine too.   


So the challenge is to find a structure that is flexible scalable and can adapt to everyone's play style. The link below is our draft of  of that structure. Comments can be made here in thread or at the pitchfork website

This is just the start and I am asking for everyone's help so we can make sure we get this right

Google page
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11z6I3WH9_1EwN6b3eAEio_RRXon6WlMa6iELrUaEGRQ/edit?pli=1#heading=h.bfsw1g1r904y

OP Site link
https://operationpitchfork.com/forums/index.php?topic=675.new#new




   



    






  • Last Edit: January 26, 2014, 07:51:40 PM by sailor67
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Reply #1
The draft has no mention about how a lone wolf <=> cell transition or even how cell <=> cell changes would be handled.

A suggestion for those cases:
The forker doing the transition would have to send a PM (AFAIK the forums allow shared PMs/conversations, though I've never used them) to at least one cell member with Cell Coordinator role or above of each "participant" Cell (one for lone wolf transition, two for cell <=> cell transition) and one PF member with Officer/Coordinator role or above. Once all parties accept the change, whoever has the required permission would make the change. Would that be acceptable?

I mention this because I'm postponing joining any guild/org that has some sort of alignment with in game entities (lawful/lawless) and playing roles (bounty hunting/exploration/piracy/...) until I can play the game and see what entices me the most. As such, by the draft I would apply as a lone wolf, but I might have to change that later on.
  • Last Edit: January 26, 2014, 08:17:53 PM by bah

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As all the Cell coordinators have the Coordinator roll, if you were to move into an Org that was taking part in PF the Cell Coordinator would be able to move you  :) Added to the Doc under the application form fields.

For moving into the Lone Wolf subdivisions, Scouting, Battle Group etc staff would move into the div by request.

However your question does make me realise we need a "Chosen Role, Scout, Supply etc" field in the application form to speed up processing. Field added

Hope this answers your question :)
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It answers it, but should probably be placed in the draft doc.

Edit: ops, had missed the edit on the application form section. You're too fast!
  • Last Edit: January 27, 2014, 06:32:21 AM by bah

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Good news everybody, I just got a reply to a question I asked through concierge:

To Whom It May Concern,
Hi, I'm doing an organisation structure proposal for the Operation Pitchfork organisation and I was wondering what data we will be able to gather when the PU is live. I understand everything is still a WIP and there won't necessarily be a definitive answer.

Pitchfork is in effect an organisation of organisations (as well as individual players or "Lone Wolves"). Specifically I want to set it up so that each Org is a division (Cell) and that within each division there are subdivisions named for roles in the 'verse e.g. battle groups, supply, recon etc which may also have subdivisions. So the question is will we be able to locate a given player in the 'verse through our Org? That is to say will I be able to either select a specific player and see stats of what ship they are in and where they are or I select a division and I can get a list of players what ship they're in and where they are in the 'verse broken down by subdivisions?

Any help with this would be much appreciated. Here is a link to the Doc I've done so far if it helps to show what I'm trying to setup: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11z6I3WH9_1EwN6b3eAEio_RRXon6WlMa6iELrUaEGRQ/edit?pli=1#

Thank you for your help,
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The reply:

Hello! Hold tight on this; a lot of it is what you will be able to generate automatically with future updates to the Org system. We'll have better details soon!


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I'm looking forward to when Orgs 2.0 drop.

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Have a few queries. Not sure how this is going to transfer from website -> game.

- How will the cells function in game?
- How will cells work together with each other? Especially since cell comms are "off-limits" to other cells.
- Once people have been identified in a role, how will that be organised in game?
- How will roles be tracked?
- Why are RP organisations singled out? As long as no-one talks about out of game stuff, they don't need to be treated with kid gloves by non-RP groups.

I wasn't initially sold on the idea of even having everyone in a single organisation with this heirarchy, but if there are trackable ingame stats that could help on a strategic or tactical level, then it makes sense.

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Have a few queries. Not sure how this is going to transfer from website -> game.
(As this is as much a WIP as the game is, to a degree we won't know until the PU is running)

- How will the cells function in game?
(That is up to the individual Cells)

- How will cells work together with each other? Especially since cell comms are "off-limits" to other cells.
(There will be message boards and other ways to communicate between Cells without have to sit there watching a Cells internal comms. Also it's up to each Cell who they allow into their own comms)

- Once people have been identified in a role, how will that be organised in game?
- How will roles be tracked?
(It will be up to each Cell to track/organise their own roles. Lone Wolves will need to keep staff updated if they need to move between roles)

- Why are RP organisations singled out? As long as no-one talks about out of game stuff, they don't need to be treated with kid gloves by non-RP groups.
(They are not being "singled out", it is simply a way to identify at a glance who is an RPer and who isn't. People have every right to talk about "out of game stuff" if they want. This isn't about treating anyone with kid gloves but simply enabling people to respect different play styles)

I wasn't initially sold on the idea of even having everyone in a single organisation with this heirarchy, but if there are trackable ingame stats that could help on a strategic or tactical level, then it makes sense.

Lastly as is said on the first page of the Doc, the PF Org is effectively an underground communication network. Operation Pitchfork is not a tightly coordinated military campaign, it is an uprising of the people. How people and Orgs translate that into the 'verse is entirely up to them.
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So I understand that each organization that joins is a cell, but I unless I'm misreading it you want orgs to divide up by role then after that the rest of the structure is up to them. I believe that could cause issues for a lot of organizations.  Take my group for example, we have 4 divisions set up, being divided into roles before we get to our setup would cause havock with our chain of command
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My leadership at Skjaldborg like it. But people are still waiting to see how Org 2.0 is implemented.

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So I understand that each organization that joins is a cell, but I unless I'm misreading it you want orgs to divide up by role then after that the rest of the structure is up to them. I believe that could cause issues for a lot of organizations.  Take my group for example, we have 4 divisions set up, being divided into roles before we get to our setup would cause havock with our chain of command


This is mainly to make gathering the info for all the strategist types a lot easier eg, there's "X" number of attack craft in this area, lets put out a call to hit this target. Or if there's a need to increase numbers of a certain type in some area we'll be able to monitor the build up live etc.

What are your 4 divisions? Maybe there's a compromise that will work? (I mean at our end, you run your Org how you see fit)

Also if none of the "role/divisions" work for you at this point maybe you could put your people into the "General Duties" division until it's clearer what you want to be doing in PF.

PS. I'm spending a lot of time on the chat here Lynwood, you're welcome to chat about this anytime. If I'm in another tab it may take awhile to spot you though, so patience is good :)

PPS. Just thinking about it, although we need these subdivisions to be the same in every Cell (and every Cell will have all these divisions) that does not mean you have to use them all. For example a Trading/Transport Org that is taking part in PF will have all the subdivisions but may only have people in the "Support" and "Escort" divisions. Leaving the others empty or maybe using them later if they choose.

So these subdivisions are for the purposes of PF as whole and may not be a direct reflection of your home Orgs divisions (We have no need of a "Sales" division in PF for example)

Also you have complete control of your own peoples rank in PF (all 6 ranks are available to you) so you just match rank by number of stars to what it is within your home Org.
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Cells, now I feel like a terrorist.   :-X

What happens if a few people in an org want to do one roll while others want to be in other rolls?

Will there be any set up for people wanting to fill rolls, so we can get all say the Logistics people on the same com channel during OP even if they are in different Orgs or Cells?

:)

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Cells, now I feel like a terrorist.   :-X

What happens if a few people in an org want to do one roll while others want to be in other rolls?

Will there be any set up for people wanting to fill rolls, so we can get all say the Logistics people on the same com channel during OP even if they are in different Orgs or Cells?

:)


There will be subdivisions within each Cell, these are covered in the Doc under "structure". Sailor has mentioned that the other Pitchfork Org will be used for a more hard core approach (I would assume that one won't be broken down by Orgs). No doubt there will be comms channels for different roles. As yet we don't know how much freedom we will have to create our own chat channels within the Org.

PS. Terrorists aren't the only ones who use "Cells". Rebellions and uprisings use them to (PF is a form uprising)
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How exactly do I apply for the draft? I've been away from the forums for a month or two and missed out on joining the organization :(

Re: Operation Pitchfork Org Discussion Thread
Reply #14
Hi Salamander

Point in fact I am not in Operation Pitchfork org yet on RSI either :). Org1.0 does not allow us to join more than one org at a time. WE didn't make folks choose between their home guild and us and worse we didn't want to make it look like we are competing with our member organizations for personnel. So I made the decision to hold them closed. I asked a couple of the lone wolves to hold Pitchfork and Operation Pitchfork for us.

There are a couple of members in each org, and they are setting all the structure in place so when Org2.0 hits, it will be up and running quickly. Which is what this thread is all about, trying to figure out a structure that would work and get everyone's feedback and ideas.

I hope that helps explain

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Hi Salamander

Point in fact I am not in Operation Pitchfork org yet on RSI either :). Org1.0 does not allow us to join more than one org at a time. WE didn't make folks choose between their home guild and us and worse we didn't want to make it look like we are competing with our member organizations for personnel. So I made the decision to hold them closed. I asked a couple of the lone wolves to hold Pitchfork and Operation Pitchfork for us.

There are a couple of members in each org, and they are setting all the structure in place so when Org2.0 hits, it will be up and running quickly. Which is what this thread is all about, trying to figure out a structure that would work and get everyone's feedback and ideas.

I hope that helps explain

sailor

That pretty much answers all my questions! Thanks sailor!

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My org is offering our ships and crew as runners. We can bring ground forces to the planets(if possible), take wounded away from battles, and bring supplies as close to the battle as possible to help with resupply.  We're also working on giving a lot of the Lone Wolves that need direction jobs with our org to help give them a general purpose as well as keeping them from causing TOO much trouble while the larger orgs do their thing.


I'm also hoping to get some directions into a few things. I'm the liason for the org, so I want to know where I should go and what I should do to help as much as possible.

To put it bluntly, I'm a bored disabled veteran looking for a new mission. OPPF is my misison. Give me my orders!

otherwise I look forward to working with y'all!

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Reply #17
Hi Flare,

First welcome aboard and I am glad to see another Vet, I am a retired US Navy Chief.

We have a really flat org structure and leave it to the individual org or pilot to figure out how best to fit in to what we are doing which is consensus based. In military terms understanding commanders intent then go execute on your own intuitive. Essentially we set this up to run itself.

The staff's job is mainly to connect folks and smooth any troubled waters between groups or individuals. We don't have a "grand admiral" passing down orders from on high but rather 100's of fire pisser platoon leaders with a mission looking to execute and engage the enemy (seems a lot more fun that way and a realistic appreciation of the level of control we actually can expect to have)     

Long story short that was the only way I could figure to make this work given the size and diversity of our member base.

As far as how you can help  AdmiralBaconstrips is coordinating/working the SAR thing. There are whole orgs working the logistics side of things. MPaalman while focused on intel is one a good point of contact for logistics (colonial movers).  We haven't really talked about ground assault and troop transport as its own entity, although we probably should have. Generally staff self selects by getting an idea and "doing", but If you want to take it on and help figure out troop transport, you are welcome too.  PM me here or over in CIG if you are up for it and we can go over some details off line.

Cheers  





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My org is offering our ships and crew as runners. We can bring ground forces to the planets(if possible), take wounded away from battles, and bring supplies as close to the battle as possible to help with resupply.  We're also working on giving a lot of the Lone Wolves that need direction jobs with our org to help give them a general purpose as well as keeping them from causing TOO much trouble while the larger orgs do their thing.


I'm also hoping to get some directions into a few things. I'm the liason for the org, so I want to know where I should go and what I should do to help as much as possible.

To put it bluntly, I'm a bored disabled veteran looking for a new mission. OPPF is my misison. Give me my orders!

otherwise I look forward to working with y'all!


Welcome and thank you for your Service.

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Yes absolutely, I'd love to help every way I can. I'll send you a PM in RSI, seeing how I'm visiting there every five minutes, and I'll talk to bacon as well on where to send the SAR crew