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Just a thought
Not sure if this is possible but if you folks have seen "Independence Day" the tactic used by the human fighters making a hole in the alien fighters called plow the road. Not sure if feasible with instancing but guess we find out about that :)

Inspired by watching the White Star Fleet vs the Earth advanced Destroyer Group from B5....Susan Ivanova's Death Incarnate speech for the umpteenth time.

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Once Multiplayer Dogfighting becomes available, we'll definitely get busy around here discussing flight patterns and tactics. This will be a good one to consider trying out when we get the chance.

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Frankly, the tactic you mention seems like something more suited to ground combat. While possible to just breach through an enemy formation, unless you are aiming at an objective beyond it and have other squadrons guarding your back, you are just exposing your back to the enemy for no good reason.
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@ Commander D, I wouldn't use it on ground. Use would be to blow hole thru Vanduul CAP so that Gladiators, Retaliators and AM Auroras could close to unload. We'll see if something like this works during DFM & Alpha/Beta.

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What I'm saying is that when you think in three dimensional fighting (ie: space), "breaking through" an enemy line is... hard to grasp. A "line" will already be an outdated concept in space-warfare. You'll most likely be thinking on "clusters" centered around points of interests.

Now, I get your general idea of breaking through a capital ship's interceptor squadrons, however you are forgetting a couple points. First and foremost, unless you ambush a capital ship, it's squadrons will deploy to intercept you as far away as possible from it (think Aircraft Carrier in WW2). Second, and related to the first, even if you manage to pierce through an enemy interceptor squadron, unless you keep said squadron(s) occupied, you are just giving your back to the enemy and flying in a pretty predictable path. And finally, unlike WW2 Carriers, StarCitizen carriers seem to pack quite a punch, and that's not even counting escorts... granted, not much of a point, but you need to keep it in mind.

The idea behind a "piercing attack" is to break the enemy line and generally either keep moving forward while other parts of the attacking group hold the enemy in place or circle around to get the enemy on the back... or interrupt enemy supply lines... none of this apply to our current situation.

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I'm not going to rule anything out until we've seen tactics in action during the DFM. That's when we'll find out what works, what doesn't, and what can be evolved to suit our needs.

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You make very good points there Death, we have to remove the CAP before we can move in on the ship they're defending. Otherwise, we have to have a force which pushes through and another to keep the CAP busy.

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The only "Make a corridor" that I can feasible see is a bunch of space superiority fighters making one for a cap ship as a Retaliator wing comes in for the bombing run.

That said, it would be really awesome to see that in action. But on a strategic level, I don't see us do that.

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The idea behind a "piercing attack" is to break the enemy line and generally either keep moving forward while other parts of the attacking group hold the enemy in place or circle around to get the enemy on the back... or interrupt enemy supply lines... none of this apply to our current situation.


I'm inclined to disagree. As long as there are "strategic points of interest," the defenders (Vanduul) will theoretically maneuvre to protect those points. And we can theoretically maneuvre to counter their maneuvres, ad nauseam. A "piercing attack" in that context would be to ignore the fleets which have maneuvred to aggress us and just hard burn to a strategic target that's outside their sphere of control, via a route that takes us through the sphere of control their aggressing fleets are projecting.

Depending on the scale and duration of fleet battles, my prediction is that it could end up being anywhere from a moderately useful tactic to a waste of ships and manpower, although if the devs are manually controlling the Vanduul fleets it could prove to be very effective indeed.


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I'm inclined to disagree with you as well Harker. If you are avoiding the enemy and fighting it where it's not, then it truly can't be described as a "piercing attack", more like a feint and switch.
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It wouldn't necessarily involve avoiding the enemy though. On the scales we're talking, a piercing attack would concentrate our fleet advance to (theoretically) wipe out forces in a localised area then move on to a strategic target beyond them, while (hopefully) the body of the enemy fleet will be too far off and/or scattered to reinforce that point in the "line."

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The only "Make a corridor" that I can feasible see is a bunch of space superiority fighters making one for a cap ship as a Retaliator wing comes in for the bombing run.


This. Except where I come from, it's called, "Good tactics."
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Nah, if you put all the fighters in front to "punch a hole" through the defenses, you'll end up in a situation where all of the other fighters in the battle will spill in behind the bombers and take them out, and that whole force is surrounded.

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Anyone feel like simulating this in Freespace 2 with me? The flight model isn't quite the same but the same concepts apply.

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Nah, if you put all the fighters in front to "punch a hole" through the defenses, you'll end up in a situation where all of the other fighters in the battle will spill in behind the bombers and take them out, and that whole force is surrounded.


Fair enough.
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