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General Recon Discussion - Katamari
With the other divisions laying the ground work for organization, and Sailor's statements on initiative I figured we may as well break ground here as well. I'll put forward my general thoughts on stuff an we'll see what we can develop from there.

First off with how little we know this is all pretty much guess work, I figure the best thing we can try to hammer out at this point would be the logistical side of it, how many people are interested, and maybe try to figure out which ships would be useful.

-Logistics-

The first thing we need to consider is potential staging points most of these have had their merits      discussed in the main strategy threads, however there is one that may be advantageous for scouting that would be useless as a main staging point; namely the unidentified Banu world behind Vanduul lines. There are some issues with this but I think the advantages may outweigh them, provided of course that we can push thru to it. Being where it is it would provide us a safe staging are as little as one jump from Orion itself rather than having to risk crossing several systems to get there and would greatly extend our scouting capabilities.

The other main logistical issue is refueling our ships. The immediate solution would be to have a Starfarer with the refinery equipment that has been stated as being available for it so that we wouldn't have to worry about fuel problems. Depending on how many upgrades this takes and some other factors I may already have this one covered, though more would be very useful.

I'm not sure there's really anything else we can determine for logistics at this point, but I've never been all that good at them myself.

-Craft-

This section is the most likely to be way off base as we don't have any real info, but it would be discussed anyway so I may as well star it off, and we may develop some insights to try out once we get the Dogfighting Module.

Personally I've got an M50 that I'm hoping to outfit for stealth and use for scouting, the known details of the ship however make it seem that although it will be good in this role it will likely be rather short legged. There has been some mention of the Starfarer possibly being able to transport a ship or two, if this is the case we just need a couple people to crew mine and a light escort and it can bring a group of light ships into the target system then get out and return for pick-up. If however this isn't implemented we will likely need an Idris to operate off of for maximum effectiveness. Transport acquired, more are certainly welcome and would vastly simplify operations.

I believe the next best craft known so far for this side of the op would be the Hornet Ghost, perhaps with the dome off the Tracker though that would need to be tested to see if the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. There does not appear to be any particular logistical issues with using the Hornet aside from possibly needing a tanker on the other side of the jump into the system, we can surmise from the description that the Hornet doesn't have great long range capability but we'd need in game testing to determine it's flight range.

The 350R is another craft that may hold promise for scouting, it seems that it would have a range advantage over the Hornet, but with the twin thrusters is unlikely to be as stealthy without serious modification. I can't currently think of anything else for or against the 350.

I'd say that's more than a big enough wall for myself, so please chime in with suggestions and critiques. Or just sound off if your planning on doing some deep recon.


Edit: If you're interested in this facet of the operation please update the list with the ships you plan on using and any organizations you plan on being a part of for the operation.



Scouting division TOE



For the roles I would suggest keeping it simple; Fast scout, Stealth scout, Deep scout, Combat scout, Transport, Support, and similar.
  • Last Edit: December 06, 2013, 08:19:55 PM by Jaustin89

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However you outfit your ships there will be tradeoffs, and specific combinations of equipment could prove much more effective in certain roles and situations. Although it might be overkill to equip recon flights to such a degree of precision, I would consider three main loadouts for recon ships:

Stealth recon: Slow but economical, they stay hidden and observe everything in a particular region over long periods of time. Probably ideal for ships operating well behind Vanduul lines.

Speed/long range recon: Best for crossing large amounts of ground or emergency recon trips where the information is expected to be used immediately.

Armoured recon: Probably only useful in the middle of combat zones. It'll stay alive longer, assuming there are friendly forces around to take out any Vanduul if it gets pursued.

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the 315p is made for exploring with its scanning package and is the second fastest 300 series with its tr-4 engine. So if a stealth armour(?) can be added then i think we may have a winner for recon. And the tractor beam on it can be replaced for the mass driver along with missiles for the inner wing.

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the 315p is made for exploring with its scanning package and is the second fastest 300 series with its tr-4 engine. So if a stealth armour(?) can be added then i think we may have a winner for recon. And the tractor beam on it can be replaced for the mass driver along with missiles for the inner wing.


I'm actually thinking that I may go in unarmed. It's ballsy but with what we know of the stealth mechanics at the moment it may give a significant bonus. My current planed setup is an M50 with Stealth armor and, if necessary, a jump drive; with the guns and shields removed, fuel tanks in place of the missiles, and the lowest signature engine and power plant I can get my hands on it should do a decent imitation of a hole in space.

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I'm actually thinking that I may go in unarmed. It's ballsy but with what we know of the stealth mechanics at the moment it may give a significant bonus. My current planed setup is an M50 with Stealth armor and, if necessary, a jump drive; with the guns and shields removed, fuel tanks in place of the missiles, and the lowest signature engine and power plant I can get my hands on it should do a decent imitation of a hole in space.

That's incredibly ballsy! Personally speaking, I would want to keep at least one cannon for defense if the proverbial hits the engine turbines.

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That's incredibly ballsy! Personally speaking, I would want to keep at least one cannon for defense if the proverbial hits the engine turbines.


A lone M50 is unlikely to have a chance in hell of surviving behind Vanduul lines, by maxing it's stealth and bugging out as soon as you're detected it may make a very good scout. One thing's for sure; it's gonna be a fun ride testing the theory.

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I suppose you're right. I would still positively HATE flying unarmed though. I suppose it comes down to how fast its able to bug out if it needs to and whether the Vanduul have anything which can keep up with it.

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I'm looking to get involved in this theatre 100%  I'm most comfortable solo or in a small, trusting group.

I have a 325a that I'd like to tweak into either a stealth / long-range scouting ship for recon duties prior to the main assault.

On a related note, I'm in the market for a guid/corp/team to join up that will either have a branch of folks or the main membership focusing on this type of gameplay.  Hopefully we can start getting some insight into how these mechanics will work during the Dogfighting module.

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I'm looking to get involved in this theatre 100%  I'm most comfortable solo or in a small, trusting group.


That's one of the reasons I like the scouting concept; there's no real defined structure to it. I mean obviously we're going to be coordinating with each other a lot and sharing info, maps, and what not and we'll need some support from the logistics folks, but once we cross that line it's just us. No one needing us immediately, no one telling us exactly where we need to be, no one saying we did everything backasswards, just us; and a system full of Vanduul looking for us.

Any ideas for a clever group nickname? I like "The Ghosts" and it's derivatives (wraiths, specters, etc), but I think it's a bit too cliche. Anyone up for "The Drifters"; I think this'll be what we do more often than not, set a course shut everything down and just drift.

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I have the "Ghost" version Hornet but would like to try making a stealth Aurora or could try and "stealth" my 315p. I hope to base myself in Garron, Vega or Croshaw if they are available as home-planets.

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I have a Hornet Ghost, and plan on side-grading my 325a to stealth as well, so I'll do some initial recon and some scouting when I'm not killing caps with Fenrir in my Retaliator.

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Any ideas for a clever group nickname? I like "The Ghosts" and it's derivatives (wraiths, specters, etc), but I think it's a bit too cliche. Anyone up for "The Drifters"; I think this'll be what we do more often than not, set a course shut everything down and just drift.


I was walking home from work when I suddenly thought to myself, "Phantom Forks".

Now I can't decide if it should be some variant:

Pitchfork's Phantoms
Phantoms of the Fork
...

C'mon somebody roll with it.

On second thought, maybe I should call dibs on the moniker and get ambitious enough to lead/organize a bunch of rag-tags to get some serious recon done.  It will be interesting to find out if stealth mechanics will make a "sniper" roll feasible or not.  A small group armed with powerful, long-range and/or guided weaponry might be able to weaken or destroy high priority targets during the full-scale engagement.
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I was walking home from work when I suddenly thought to myself, "Phantom Forks".

Now I can't decide if it should be some variant:

Pitchfork's Phantoms
Phantoms of the Fork
...

C'mon somebody roll with it.

On second thought, maybe I should call dibs on the moniker and get ambitious enough to lead/organize a bunch of rag-tags to get some serious recon done.  It will be interesting to find out if stealth mechanics will make a "sniper" roll feasible or not.  A small group armed with powerful, long-range and/or guided weaponry might be able to weaken or destroy high priority targets during the full-scale engagement.


A sniper roll would be interesting. But I would see it being a little hard with out a targeting system and Physical Ammo for the role of a sniper will not be limited by distance. But, you will also have to account that someone watching their sensor's closely will see that sudden energy burst... Maybe the cannons?

But, for scouting I see the 315, F7C-R/S, or Freelancer being a major factor to this idea of Recon/Scouting general area's.
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I will be running in a 315p for scouting. I plan on adding anything to enhance my sensors and stealth. Otherwise, I will just add drop tanks for fuel. Otherwise, adding guns just makes things more messy. I need to think quiet and if need be run ;)
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Jaustin89, can I get you to organize a list of the people and ships they've offered for scouting in the OP? Jack Danials and I are going to start trying to get these threads a little more organized for when DFM gets here.

If someone is volunteering, please make it clear you need to know if they will be flying with a specific organization or not. People in organizations will most likely be taking orders from and reporting to their leadership, not necessarily the OPPF CENTCOM. So it will be more valuable for us here to know which independent scouts are volunteering, since they will be in need of resources from the Operation Group itself.
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Jaustin89, can I get you to organize a list of the people and ships they've offered for scouting in the OP? Jack Danials and I are going to start trying to get these threads a little more organized for when DFM gets here.

If someone is volunteering, please make it clear you need to know if they will be flying with a specific organization or not. People in organizations will most likely be taking orders from and reporting to their leadership, not necessarily the OPPF CENTCOM. So it will be more valuable for us here to know which independent scouts are volunteering, since they will be in need of resources from the Operation Group itself.


Sure. You want it as a public doc, or can I just keep it offline? Also sorry it took this long to reply, I just found out about the end of life issues with SSD's the hard way (no data loss fortunately but the windows install on that drive was corrupted).

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Hi Folks, I have a Xian Scout and a Freelancer. I am considerin helping scout ahead of time in the Xian, but we may learn later that the Lancer could be better depending on loadout. No idea what the energy signature of the Scout is going to be yet, but hopefully it's maneuvering will help get me out of harm's way if detected.

I am a Member of Unrepentantgaming.org, and while we have a few pledged, we are waiting to see how the org sheet comes out, before formalizing in SC. So.... this means, for now, before the main operation, I will be up for some supportive scouting roles in whatever ship we decide is best. Come he main operation not sure yethow organized we'll be. Want to fly with guildmates when possible of course, but see my Lancer in a logistics support or Search and Rescue role in main operation. Where ever I am needed most. If or when I lose it, and if I am able, I would hen back it up with the scout in an attack or escort role as needed.

We'll know more once the Org page is out, and the Lancer variants and Scout actual stats are out.

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Sure. You want it as a public doc, or can I just keep it offline? Also sorry it took this long to reply, I just found out about the end of life issues with SSD's the hard way (no data loss fortunately but the windows install on that drive was corrupted).


Online would be best, Jaustin89, kind of like the Asset Roster. No worries about the late reply, I've had a busy week, and next week is looking much the same. Besides, it's kind of easy going until the Alpha starts right now, anyways. :)

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Online would be best, Jaustin89, kind of like the Asset Roster. No worries about the late reply, I've had a busy week, and next week is looking much the same. Besides, it's kind of easy going until the Alpha starts right now, anyways. :)


On the principle of "if it aint broke don't fix it" I have shamelessly copied the main roster and cleared the data.
If anyone has an issue with this let me know and I'll work up a replacement.

Scouting division TOE

For the roles I would suggest keeping it simple; Fast scout, Stealth scout, Deep scout, Combat scout, Transport, Support, and similar.
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Assuming its suitable, I'll be using my Banu Merchantman for deep support given its supposed blockade-running focus. 60Tons of fuel and missiles, coming right up.

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Assuming its suitable, I'll be using my Banu Merchantman for deep support given its supposed blockade-running focus. 60Tons of fuel and missiles, coming right up.

Well, that would be great - if the MM comes up with a little docking bay. Otherwise I doubt that it'll be possible to rearm most smaller vessels in space. Hornets and Gladiators are even worse - as carrier based ships, they all lack a docking collar.

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I dunno, I could probably do EVA rearming if I tried/asked hard enough. At the very least I could bring food and suchlike.
But yeah, the offer is there under the proviso that there's actually a useful role for my MM.

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Well, that would be great - if the MM comes up with a little docking bay. Otherwise I doubt that it'll be possible to rearm most smaller vessels in space. Hornets and Gladiators are even worse - as carrier based ships, they all lack a docking collar.


We've got an Idris, run the supplies to that and rearm from there.

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We've got an Idris, run the supplies to that and rearm from there.

Ok, but is this going to be a scout mission, or special ops?

The term 'rearm' makes me think of the second one.