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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #25
I thought it might be interesting to sneak in a Tevarin perspective on the Vanduul and what they represent. We've been pretty focused on the human side of things because it's what we know (and also because only humans are playable thus far), but there's a whole other intelligent species that's got just as much stake in this fight as us squishy pink things do, and they're subjects and citizens of the Empire just like we are. Historically, they're also the inheritors of the remnants of a culture that was invested to the point of national self-destruction in avenging its dead, and never ever surrendering until the fight was quite literally bled out of it.

So... I'm going to try to whip up a response from that angle. Something suitably contemptuous about the Empire's apparent weakness- is this the same Empire that brought our proud ancestors to their knees? Anger at the Empire's willingness to let itself, and by extension the Tevarin whom it conquered and thereby took responsibility for, wither and die in the face of an enemy so obviously bent on conquest and destruction; praise for Admiral Bishop for his prowess in battle and for his willingness to carry the fight forward, and so on.

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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #26

Thanks, Benjamin! I'll make the edit in the original post. I think the last part could use some more work, since the objective was a statement of support for the speech. But given our unlawful and separatist brothers-n-sisters are part of this, I wanted to maintain a certain positive distance between us and the UEE Military.


Yeah, that's what I gathered the purpose of that was. I think it's a good idea. I try to remind people that we're not all pro-UEE here, or even pro-law, so we have to keep our language about ourselves more open in a general way.

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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
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Ugh. Just got notification that I have a public reading assignment this Thursday!! Should have gotten it three weeks ago. Usually space preparation out over two weeks, but I've only got 4 days this time. I'll chime in as I can, but writing up full revisions will be difficult to squeeze in until the end of the week. :(

Feel free to rework and polish up what I wrote if that is what works for the rest of you folks! All that matters to me is getting something of quality out before it turns stale :)

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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #28

I thought it might be interesting to sneak in a Tevarin perspective on the Vanduul and what they represent. We've been pretty focused on the human side of things because it's what we know (and also because only humans are playable thus far), but there's a whole other intelligent species that's got just as much stake in this fight as us squishy pink things do, and they're subjects and citizens of the Empire just like we are. Historically, they're also the inheritors of the remnants of a culture that was invested to the point of national self-destruction in avenging its dead, and never ever surrendering until the fight was quite literally bled out of it.

So... I'm going to try to whip up a response from that angle. Something suitably contemptuous about the Empire's apparent weakness- is this the same Empire that brought our proud ancestors to their knees? Anger at the Empire's willingness to let itself, and by extension the Tevarin whom it conquered and thereby took responsibility for, wither and die in the face of an enemy so obviously bent on conquest and destruction; praise for Admiral Bishop for his prowess in battle and for his willingness to carry the fight forward, and so on.


Good idea--maybe something disdainful of how squishy and soft the Empire today is, but how this Bishop fights with a clarity, strength and resolve worthy not only of his ancestors at their zenith, but even for any of the greatest Tevarin warriors of old to admire. :)
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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #29

Good idea--maybe something disdainful of how squishy and soft the Empire today is, but how this Bishop fights with a clarity, strength and resolve worthy not only of his ancestors at their zenith, but even for any of the greatest Tevarin warriors of old to admire. :)


I honestly have no idea how Tevarin are as a culture in the lore right now, so I can't offer anything up. I don't know if they're bitter or resentful or if they accept what happened and have moved on. I know one Tevarin is running for office on a planet somewhere, but other than that, nothing else.

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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #30
Tevarin are only directly spoken of 3 times.

-Initial lore with no description of appearance other than tall and hardy with a sense of essentially Bushido that allowed them to go to war with inferior technology(Presumably 150 years behind.) and still put up a significant fight.
-A story about Tevarin revolutionaries and dissidents in prison. Describing Tevarin as "Grey". So at least we got a color,but it still might change as they are very vaguely defined.
-The Tevarin running to be a Senator is trying to get Tevarin to accept the fact that their people and culture have mixed with human civilization and through politics can represent this minority and possibly get them away from the negative Ronin style depression and violence they are currently known for.

Therefore I think a Tevarin POV can go 2 ways. UEE Osmosis or Extreme Cynicism. A human view is much simpler though and more relatable,but CIG might like a Tevarin perception for creativity with the risk that is is a false representation.

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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #31

Tevarin are only directly spoken of 3 times.

-Initial lore with no description of appearance other than tall and hardy with a sense of essentially Bushido that allowed them to go to war with inferior technology(Presumably 150 years behind.) and still put up a significant fight.
-A story about Tevarin revolutionaries and dissidents in prison. Describing Tevarin as "Grey". So at least we got a color,but it still might change as they are very vaguely defined.
-The Tevarin running to be a Senator is trying to get Tevarin to accept the fact that their people and culture have mixed with human civilization and through politics can represent this minority and possibly get them away from the negative Ronin style depression and violence they are currently known for.

Therefore I think a Tevarin POV can go 2 ways. UEE Osmosis or Extreme Cynicism. A human view is much simpler though and more relatable,but CIG might like a Tevarin perception for creativity with the risk that is is a false representation.


Yeah, this is kind of why I'm leery of writing any content for them. I have no idea where CIG is going with them.

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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #32
We can still safely assume that they prize strength and honor, though, and have a certain amount of "roll up sleeves and do what needs doing" mindset as illustrated by Nescus's offer about "no matter what the past, anyone who's willing to come fight the Vanduul with us can consider past debts with me in cash or blood Paid In Full" from BootyCall a while back.
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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #33
I figure it's safe enough to write from an individual perspective- they'd hardly all have the same point of view as a race, so it changes nothing if CIG takes the majority in a completely different direction.

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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #34
I would recommend that we don't get too fanatical or aggressive in our response. We want to voice our feelings and stance, but remember to be political too! Don't want to turn away potential new members by sounding the wrong way

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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #35
Is this still going on? Should we need to have something together and sent soonish if we want to move on this. Otherwise I'm going to send my press blurb through concierge to see if they want to use it.

Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #36
Would be good to have something for an 'official' response.

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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
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So far we have 3 possible responses and it seems like it's time to choose since we're now on a relevancy time table.(The last one should probably be cut down though.)


"We lost Armitage on Orion to the Vanduul as the survivors fled to Vega. We were unprepared back then. Now Vega has been attacked 200 years later and we have failed to prepare properly against this threat. Containing it and appeasing the public opinion with political labels as citizens continued to die. We will never forget this for reaching back into history is noting that to deny our fallen the justice they deserve is to deny a part, even a fundamental part, of our very Humanity itself. Reaching further back the Art of War stated that invincibility lies in defense,but victory lies in attack. Therefore we cannot sit idly by for another 200 years. We stand by Admiral Bishop as we must attack!"



"Operation Pitchfork released a press statement today in support of Admiral Bishop. They have stated they have no position on the Polo Initiative, other than noting that they are highly critical of where the UEE has allocated its military resources."



Seven days ago history repeated itself yet again in the form of the Vanduul attack on Vega II. Multitudes of innocent bystanders lost their lives in a few short hours before the Vanduul were driven back. Not as unintended 'collateral damage' or any other politically minded phrase to make an ugly truth easier to live with. But as targets by individual barbarians who do not differentiate between civilian and fighter, wealthy or poor, famous or unknown, upright or nefarious. Not even between adult and child.

The Vanduul have repeatedly demonstrated their will to continue their ways of murdering human populations and pillaging entire worlds to feed their war machine, while humanity as a whole have repeatedly demonstrated the will to fall back from the frontiers. Using the excuses that they were too far away. That holding the line there was too costly to justify. Too difficult to maintain.

We are all shocked by this most recent attack, yet deep down we all had to know it was coming. Why would the Vanduul stop themselves when humanity shows little resolve to pay the tremendous and terrible price it will take to push the horror back out in order to survive?

For the last two years the movement known at 'Operation Pitchfork' has been organizing, rallying, reasoning, petitioning, and stockpiling in preparation to attack and push the enemy out of the Red Systems. Even though we grieve over the loss of life at Vega, just as we have over Orion, Caliban, Virgil, and Tiber, we can't help but rejoice at Admiral Bishop's call to arms before the UEE Senate. That we will not have to pay the inevitable price in blood and grief alone as Citizens and Civilians alike take the stand for the sake of our future generations.


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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #38
I personally like the first option the best, though it needs some minor modification towards the end as the way the last piece is fit into the paragraph it kind of kills the flow. If you provide me with a moment or two I can write up a possible alteration to it?

Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #39
Wow. Yeah, what I came up with is w-a-a-a-a-a-y too long. Too angry also, I think. I'll post it up later anyway, because I like the result, but I don't think it's quite what we're looking for here.

For a short, to the point public statement, I think I like the last paragraph of Andy_H's response the best: 

For the last two years the movement known at 'Operation Pitchfork' has been organizing, rallying, reasoning, petitioning, and stockpiling in preparation to attack and push the enemy out of the Red Systems. Even though we grieve over the loss of life at Vega, just as we have over Orion, Caliban, Virgil, and Tiber, we can't help but rejoice at Admiral Bishop's call to arms before the UEE Senate. That we will not have to pay the inevitable price in blood and grief alone as Citizens and Civilians alike take the stand for the sake of our future generations.


It's got a brief history of Pitchfork for anybody who hasn't heard of us yet and a statement of support of Adm. Bishop's speech, recognition of and sympathy for the dead at Vega and the other worlds the Vanduul have attacked, and it's completely apolitical outside the main issue (supporting offensive action against the Vanduul). The language is very diplomatic (no blame-throwing) and reasonable- less likely to get us dismissed as extremists. For an "official" statement endorsed by Operation Pitchfork as a whole rather than issued by an individual member or member org, I don't think we could do much better than that.

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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #40
Here is a preliminary modification of it. I Am going to keep looking over it for now to see how I can improve it.

We lost Armitage on Orion to the Vanduul as the survivors fled to Vega. We were unprepared back then. Now Vega has been attacked 200 years later and we have once again failed to prepare properly against this threat. Containing it and appeasing the public opinion with political labels as citizens continue to die at the hands of the Vanduul. Reaching back into history, The Art of War stated that invincibility lies in defense, but victory lies in attack. Therefore we cannot sit idly by for another 200 years. We stand by Admiral Bishop as we must attack! For to deny our fallen the justice they deserve is to deny a part, even a fundamental part, of our very Humanity.
  • Last Edit: October 15, 2015, 02:08:18 PM by ~L~

Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #41
I agree with Wrath_Of_Deadguy that the last paragraph of Andy_H's statement is the best.

For the last two years the movement known at 'Operation Pitchfork' has been organizing, rallying, reasoning, petitioning, and stockpiling in preparation to attack and push the enemy out of the Red Systems. Even though we grieve over the loss of life at Vega, just as we have over Orion, Caliban, Virgil, and Tiber, we can't help but rejoice at Admiral Bishop's call to arms before the UEE Senate. That we will not have to pay the inevitable price in blood and grief alone as Citizens and Civilians alike take the stand for the sake of our future generations.


Some adjustments:

For two years, the movement known at 'Operation Pitchfork' has been organizing, rallying, reasoning, petitioning, and stockpiling in preparation to attack and push the enemy out of the Red Systems. Even though we grieve over the loss of life at Vega, just as we have over Orion, Tiber, Virgil, and Caliban, we cannot help but rejoice at Admiral Bishop's call to arms before the UEE Senate. That we will not be alone in paying the inevitable price in blood and grief. Citizens and Civilians alike must stand together, that future generations may flourish in peace.

Thoughts?

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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #42
I approve of L's revision.

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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
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Another minor modification to the opening. I personally am liking them both at this point. Too bad we can't use both.

Nearly two centuries ago we lost Armitage on Orion to the Vanduul as the survivors fled to Vega. We were unprepared back then. Now Vega has been attacked 200 years later and we have once again failed to prepare properly against this threat. Containing it and appeasing the public opinion with political labels as citizens continue to die at the hands of the Vanduul. Reaching back into history, The Art of War stated that invincibility lies in defense, but victory lies in attack. Therefore we cannot sit idly by for another 200 years. We stand by Admiral Bishop as we must attack! For to deny our fallen the justice they deserve is to deny a part, even a fundamental part, of our very Humanity.

Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #44
One thing I would note is that the order of systems falling seems to go:
Orion -> Tiber -> Virgil -> Caliban

So you may want to adjust the first sentence to reflect the constant retreat. Particularly Orion -> Tiber -> Virgil -> Vega.

Caliban is a bit of an outlier.

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Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
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Idea of portraying continued retreat incorporated. I could also take a shot at doing some edits to AndhyH's last paragraph and see how I can better the flow of that if you like?

Take 1:
Nearly two centuries ago we lost Armitage on Orion to the Vanduul. The survivors fled first to Tiber and were eventually forced to take refuge on Vega. We were unprepared back then. Now Vega has been attacked 200 years later and we have once again failed to prepare properly against this threat. Containing it and appeasing the public opinion with political labels as citizens continue to die at the hands of the Vanduul. Reaching back into history, The Art of War stated that invincibility lies in defense, but victory lies in attack. Therefore we cannot sit idly by for another 200 years. We stand by Admiral Bishop as we must attack! For to deny our fallen the justice they deserve is to deny a part, even a fundamental part, of our very Humanity.

Take 2:
Nearly two centuries ago we lost Armitage on Orion to the Vanduul, as the survivors fled first to Tiber then Virgil and were eventually forced to take refuge on Vega. We were unprepared back then. Now Vega has been attacked 200 years later and we have once again failed to prepare properly against this threat. Containing it and appeasing the public opinion with political labels as citizens continue to die at the hands of the Vanduul. Reaching back into history, The Art of War stated that invincibility lies in defense, but victory lies in attack. Therefore we cannot sit idly by for another 200 years. We stand by Admiral Bishop as we must attack! For to deny our fallen the justice they deserve is to deny a part, even a fundamental part, of our very Humanity.
  • Last Edit: October 15, 2015, 09:26:33 PM by ~L~

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Nearly two centuries ago we lost Armitage on Orion to the Vanduul. The survivors fled first to Tiber and were eventually forced to take refuge on Vega. We were unprepared back then. Now Vega has been attacked 200 years later and we have once again failed to prepare properly against this threat. Containing it and appeasing the public opinion with political labels as citizens continue to die at the hands of the Vanduul. Reaching back into history, The Art of War stated that invincibility lies in defense, but victory lies in attack. Therefore we cannot sit idly by for another 200 years. We stand by Admiral Bishop as we must attack! For to deny our fallen the justice they deserve is to deny a part, even a fundamental part, of our very Humanity.


Some edits:

Over two centuries ago we lost Orion to the Vanduul. The survivors fled first to Tiber, then to Virgil, then finally to Vega. We were unprepared back then. Now Vega is under assault, and we have once again failed to properly defend against this threat. Appeasing the public opinion with political labels as citizens continue to die at the hands of the Vanduul. Sun Tzu's Art of War stated that invincibility lies in defense, but victory lies in attack. Therefore we cannot sit idly by for another two centuries. We stand by Admiral Bishop as we must attack! For to deny our fallen the justice they deserve is to deny a part - a fundamental part - of our very Humanity.

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Reply #47
As L liked my adjustment in the Shoutbox, seems here are our two options:




Andy_H's Proposal:

For two years, the movement known at 'Operation Pitchfork' has been organizing, rallying, reasoning, petitioning, and stockpiling in preparation to attack and push the enemy out of the Red Systems. Even though we grieve over the loss of life at Vega, just as we have over Orion, Tiber, Virgil, and Caliban, we cannot help but rejoice at Admiral Bishop's call to arms before the UEE Senate. That we will not be alone in paying the inevitable price in blood and grief. Citizens and Civilians alike must stand together, that future generations may flourish in peace.




Jack Knife's Proposal:

Over two centuries ago we lost Orion to the Vanduul. The survivors fled first to Tiber, then to Virgil, then finally to Vega. We were unprepared back then. Now Vega is under assault, and we have once again failed to properly defend against this threat. Appeasing the public opinion with political labels as citizens continue to die at the hands of the Vanduul. Sun Tzu's Art of War stated that invincibility lies in defense, but victory lies in attack. Therefore we cannot sit idly by for another two centuries. We stand by Admiral Bishop as we must attack! For to deny our fallen the justice they deserve is to deny a part - a fundamental part - of our very Humanity.

Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #48
Kind of liking Jack's better  Andy_H's is for lack of better term is melancholy. In lore we are so pissed off we are going on what could very well be a suicide mission just for the opportunity that we may be able to strike back effectively.

That anger should permeate everything we do in lore. In Jack's version for all of its sophistication, it is still apparent. For what it is worth that is my take on it

        
Pitchfork Belongs to all of us


Re: OPPF Press Release supporting Admiral Bishop
Reply #49
Let's go with that then and get it out there. : )