If a player group manages to establish a presence in a system outside of UEE space for long enough after awhile the AI will take notice. The UEE will start sending ships out to the system and over time start building infrastructure and expanding UEE presence in the system. In short they're working on a win condition for us! Long term this is a huge boon for the player base in general as it gives us all the opportunity to directly influence where, and in what direction, UEE space expands.Lyt, paraphrasing Chris Roberts
harder part will be to keep people in there continuously ( will mostly depent if chris want use to be there 24h/24 or if systeme can be empty for a short period withouth reseting whole systeme to make uee notice use.
I think there would be a lot of opportunity to be had rebuilding Orion,as others have said materials/supplys have to be shipped in escorts, fuel, exploring Orion itself.I Can't wait
regarding peopel who will participate in that effort, we may need some idea of how to keep everyone busy in Orion, you will agree that you don't want to wait in there and doing nothing. instead we could make a list of thing people may do in there .here some exemple feel free to add more: - exploring- mining- bacon hunting- salvage - SAR and repair of ship- refuel shipetc
Don't forget trade. All that developing infrastructure has to come from somewhere, and most likely materials and equipment will have to take the Nul route in and out. Even if we suppress Tiber, it will probably be too hot in the long term as a supply line.
Nul doesn't go directly into Orion, either, though. My guess is that the UEE will not be able to establish a presence with non-adjacent systems. Or maybe they will, and will just require escort. Either way, the safest bet is to also maintain presence in other systems leading to Orion. So we can maintain a presence in Tiber and Orion, or in Caliban, and Orion (and Nul?). I'd say there's probably a lot more to do in Tiber. It's a salvage paradise, after all. More dangerous, but without the X factor of Nul.I'll join in and help maintain presence until the UEE has established itself in Orion. And I'll maintain presence in whatever the most dangerous system is (as security), too. I'm willing to bet my entire clan (Clan Wolf) would be willing to do the same. But I'm going to wait on an official confirmation for that.
I've been in from the start.
This has been discussed a dozen times. Including the historical strategy you mentioned. Your probably new here,but this thread is for AFTER the operation completes,should it succeed.
While we appreciate your input as all thoughts and suggestions are valued here in OPPF, I would ask that you please stay on topic of what the post is about. As has been a couple of times these points you have brought up have been and are still being actively discussed in other threads. This thread is meant for discussion on Guardians of Orion which is a post OPPF operation for after a successful assault on the Vanduul. If you wish to discuss further ideas, suggestions, and plans on what would be required to first even take Orion before we can attempt to hold it please refer to one of the following threads; one of which mike you have already posted in, as you mentioned.https://operationpitchfork.com/forums/index.php?topic=1643.0https://operationpitchfork.com/forums/index.php?topic=1675.0There are also multiple Katamari threads if you wish to discuss more tactical matters instead of just strategic discussion.https://operationpitchfork.com/forums/index.php?board=10.0
Again that has been discussed and is why we're not going through the Banu backdoor to Orion for a full invasion. The current plan of going through Virgil or Tiber is commonly debated in order to allow a UEE prescence. In addition to this the systems we do liberate are being occupied for the 2-3 day window the operation is predicted to take place in as CIG is fully aware of and supports OPPF this will allow them to make in game excuses to have the UEE reoccupy whatever route we take.
I was talking about after OPPF, obivously. Ok. If CIG does allow that to happen then my concerns are pointless. But what if CIG doesn't do that? Or they allow the UEE AI to start to make a little presence in the systems leading to Orion, and in Orion itself, but then have the Vanduul come back in? I'm talking about in any system we liberate. What if CIG uses OPPF as the spark for the Sacking of Earth? OPPF, combined with the AI war against them, causes the Vanduul to get serious and they launch a major offensive to retake Orion or Tiber or Vigil or whatever. Then they use that as a diversion to make Earth easier to get to, but that's not what I'm talking about. How would we deal with a couple of Kingships and their respective fleets popping into Orion a month after OPPF? Granted, defending a system is a lot easier than taking it but The Guardians of Orion are going to be a lot smaller than OPPF. Or what if they retake Tiber and surround us? This is all hypothetical of course and we don't really need to worry about any of this now but I do think a major Vanduul counter-offensive months after OPPF preempting or following the Sacking of Earth is possible and its this orgs problem so we should be aware of it. Unless I'm totally off-base here.
Many moons ago in a time I don't remember in the first year,there was a statement from CIG devs somewhere that the timeframe for the Sacking of Rome I mean *cough* Earth was dependent on the completion of Squadron 42. The number of people who complete it would impact the time of the sacking in some undisclosed way and it's not even clear how in what ending either when you complete Squadron 42. So OPPF should not effect that unless we became a factor since that statement was in the first year. Quite frankly though if we succeed and CIG simply takes it back within a year it is a massive fuck you to thousands upon thousands of his loyal backers so it is very unlikely to happen. If we fail then it plays the opposite way and Vanduul don't take the UEE seriously even as a sign of weakness,because they've smashed thousands of UEE Navy ships in all those systems anyway and we become legendary martyrs of vengeance for the game's lore like the Doolittle Raid on Tokyo. There is actually a genuine possibility of UEE AI following us into the warzone though the magical hands of CIG. I'd cry if Chris Roberts came with us in a Bengal(Retribution is for SQ 42 only by Wing Commander logic.) with CIG staff in support ships.
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